Tether Kill Switches Are Coming To The FTR Hare Scramble Series

[Mark]

As most of you know Roy mentioned it in the Quad meeting Saturday. Tether kill switches are coming to the Hare Scramble series. They are running them in the MX series this year and I would not be surprised to see a proposal about it this season. If passed, (which I’m sure it would considering it’s a spectator safety issue) would take effect next season.

The only problem with running a tether kill switch in the Hare Scramble series, as you all know, is the way we currently start. It just won’t work. Another proposal to update the starting procedure for the Quad classes will need to be submitted.

What is needed is for everyone to come up with ideas about some alternative ways to start. We can see what we all like and don’t like, see if we can’t come to some kind of agreement and pass that information on to Roy.

Here are a few examples (some of them Roy gave me as I was hitting him up for information):

On the bike, dead engine, Hands on the helmet.

Standing beside the bike, dead engine.

Standing behind the line that we park the bikes on, dead engine.



As for my opinion, I’m not really set on one way or the other yet. I would like to hear what you folks can come up with and go from there.


Mark

[bluplatespecial]

How about starting just as we do now, run to the ride, hook up the tether, then start the engine....might even become an equalizer for some!!!

Could be trouble for others!

Sure would be interesting with gloves on! Might even get a few laughs!

I'm game...anyone else?

[yamadooski]

Its not that hard guys..
Just do it the same way as GNCC.
YOu sit on the quad and wait for the flag to go down.
We used Kill switches this entire season.

Done deal now go get er done...:D

[SUPERSR8X]

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[JoeyStankus50A]

If we use kill switches we need to start like the GNCC series. The starts are already tough enough. Also, if Roy going to get something going we need to start a proposal to change the race format from hour and half to two hours, if dirtbike AA get 2 hours so should Quad AA, if you cut them to an hour and half they would raise hell so should we, thats my opinion. Also, there still are scoring issues, but I feel Daniel will work out the bugs. I just can't seem to get the scoring program to pull up the Quads Overall. Joey 50 Quad AA

[yamadooski]

Im with Joey on this one too.
Im willing to back up on all this proposal stuff but not sure how to do it.
Im not really into all the politics of it all.
I thought the quad meeting at the last race was a good turnout.
Now if there was a way to get the message out to everyone.
Maybe if Roy deligated duties to certain individuals that wanted to volunteer some of their time, Im willing to help.

Paul..

[BRIAN]

Im all for tethers.There a must on ALL atv's.Every form of racing with ATV's use tethers.(except FTR H.S.) I like the idea of - On the quad,dead engine start,hands on there hemlets.that makes it fair for those quads with kickstarters.Remember WE are a WHOLE. "AA",B,C.We as a whole deserve the 2 hour format.not just "AA"..Please list some rules that you would like changed or added.I would love to here your ideas.And please think on the effect of it on us as a WHOLE.....

[DOUG]

Ill help out. But I have to already say im not in good graces with some in the FTR.

New start: The closest thing to being fair would be a on quad dead engine start. You cannot put sit on because this would hinder the TRX 450 riders cause they will need to be standing.

I not really sure why we need a teather kill switch for motocross I understand. But running in the woods ??. But I guess its a safety issue and I am all about doing anything to be safer.

I just wonder how much fun it would have been this past weekend with a teather trying to push it out some of those holes. But I guess it would just take getting use to, of keeping it fastened and pushing.

Race Length: If we want 2 hours for racing. The whole saturday schedule will need to be changed. But it shouldn't be that hard to do. We only need an extra 30 Min. I have already talked to Daniel and he says the registration dies out around 9:30 so thats where we can gain it.

We lose a hour with the PEEWEE races. Dont get me wrong we still need them but this is an hour for 25-30 people. My suggestion is open a seperate line at the begining of registration say first 30 minutes to allow them to register. And hold there race before the riders meeting.

Schedule something similiar to this

7:30 -10 Registration
9:00-10:00 Practice
10:00-10:40 PEEWEE
11:00 Riders Meeting
11:30-1:00 Mini ABC + 65 A,B
1:00-2:30 Vintage, Beg, Jr
2:30-4:30 Quads

Displacement(CC's):

If you have a big bore kit of anything over 416cc You will be forced to ride in the 400-open Class in your ability level. This was not made clear until this past race. Which is a little late for some.

Also just for next year that anyone that is riding the AA class may be allowed to move to there appropriate class. There are people that have been running the AA class still under the assumption that if you have a big bore you HAVE TO RUN AA this is unfair to them if they are not of AA ablility.

Advancement:

If your times are equal to or greater than the top 3 in the class in front of you, you will automatically be promoted for the next race. With the exception that 8 quads must be in the Higher class.

Alot of sandbaggers out there.

If this is a consensus of what needs to be changed I will find the rule and write it up and what it needs to be changed to. But I will not do it until we decide on what needs to be changed.

Doug

[JoeyStankus50A]

Doug,
I agree. All the quads need a 2 hour race format. What if we just add 30 minutes to the current time. 3:30-5:30 or 3-5? It will start getting dark soon but we should be able to be in before sunset. Also, the idea of starting early is good too. The person we need to talk to is Roy he knows his stuff. But I do agree we need to change some things for us quads. I didn't know there was a quad meeting at Rodman I would have liked to be there. I wonder how all the quads feel about the current race format in FTR?

[y2k400ex]

In the rule book chapter 3 sec J states:

Classification will be made according to
manufacturer's piston displacement marked by
the manufacturer on the engine cylinder.
Displacement may be increased to the maximum
allowable for that class. Cylinders may be overbored
to .080 inches regardless of displacement
and still remain in the original class. See AMA
rule book -"Protests and Offenses."


In the discussion at the meeting I brought up this point and was told that this didn’t matter. Anything over 400 would have to run in the 401 +.... :confused:

[DOUG]

This is my understanding, and if I am wrong I need clarification.

0-400 by stock CC "BUT" can be bored over by .08 (416)

Anything bored over that will forced to run the 400+ in the appropriate ability.

Doug

[y2k400ex]

Its my understanding also, but they said even if your running any thing over a 400 you should be running in the 401+. Which doenst make sense be cause thats just normal maintence on an engine, thats why the .080 over rule is in there.

[Mark]

Originally posted by y2k400ex
Its my understanding also, but they said even if your running any thing over a 400 you should be running in the 401+. Which doenst make sense be cause thats just normal maintence on an engine, thats why the .080 over rule is in there.

If I was in that situation, for now I would go with what was said in that meeting. Talk to Roy at the next race to make sure your on the same page.


That’s something else that everyone needs to think about. The clarification of an Open Class Quad as far as CC’s go.

[bluplatespecial]

Hey Doug,

Here's a suggestion: What about moving the PEEWEE's to Sunday? Sunday's practice is from 8:30 to 9:30 and the first race isn't until 10:30. They only need 50 minutes right? That would give Saturday races an extra hour!
This would also give the PeeWee's the Big recognition they deserve & would give them all day on Saturday to practice for the big race on Sunday!

Just a thought! What do you think?

[Roy Jernberg]

It is good to see all of the brainstorming here. Mine is kinda shot temporarily. Some of you have some good ideas. The FTR sight seems to turn into a battleground because of the few who seem to suffer from "Tire Envy" ( Adolescent Psychologists have another term which relates to this). Do not let these few bring you down to their level. I should be at the Benefit race if you have anything to discuss.

Thanks,

Roy J